Stephen's company is called Cas-Am Performance. It's kind of hard to explain, but it's easy to tell if one of these cars ever got into an accident. If so please use the bidding box above. The body was refinished in its factory shade of Nugget Gold Metallic (53) during prior ownership in 1984 according to the seller, and photos of paint meter readings are provided in the gallery below along with close-up photos depicting the paint and trim. if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_4',148,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2-0');if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_5',148,'0','1'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-barnfinds_com-large-leaderboard-2-0_1'); .large-leaderboard-2-multi-148{border:none !important;display:block !important;float:none !important;line-height:0px;margin-bottom:7px !important;margin-left:auto !important;margin-right:auto !important;margin-top:7px !important;max-width:100% !important;min-height:250px;padding:0;text-align:center !important;}. this was a complete aluminum rear differential carrier but it was only offered in 1970. The carpet is typically faded but the dash-pad and instrument panel seems fine. Engine stamping 30M304131 is pictured above. In 1970, Oldsmobile Division came out with an aluminum W-31 intake similar to the one used on the W-30s and made by the same foundry. Additions by the seller include a Custom Sport steering wheel and hub, a 7k-rpm tachometer with an inset clock, a woodgrain dash bezel and ash tray cover, and rear package shelf trim. A decent quality paint job without body work can easily cost $10k and up by itself. inch block. 1970 Oldsmobile vehicle identification number (vin) decoder. So why isn't the 4-4-2 praised today as a debut-year muscle car? The Rallye 350 was a performance package offered on certain F-85 and Cutlass bodies, and was intended to be an affordable performance car. We dont have any photos of the drivers side of the car, whats hiding there? During the period from 1968-1972 most Olds Cutlass buyers went with the V-8 series standard 350 cubic inch engine. It had ram air, sport mirrors, W-31 side stripes, and W-31 fender badges, but otherwise it looked just like a W-30. Your daily digest of everything happening on the site. In time, he also began buying Oldsmobile parts cars and stripping them. 1962 Chevrolet Corvette4 days$33,750Bid Now, 1978 Chevrolet Corvette5 days$2,100Bid Now, 1971 Lincoln Continental Mark III6 days$2,750Bid Now, 1961 Volkswagen Samba Deluxe 23-Window8 days$100Bid Now. Fortran FAQ.Com. This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. This W-31 is equipped with a four-speed manual transmission, definitely a nice find. Later he decided to hold on to the car, which his father ordered new in 1970. I'm 40 years old. A power steering system was reportedly installed by the original owner, while updates by the seller are said to include resealing of the steering gear, re-installation of the power steering equipment, replacement of the center steering link and hoses and shock absorbers as well as performing an alignment. In 1970, Oldsmobile Division came out with an aluminum W-31 intake similar to the one used on the W-30s and made by the same foundry. John had a tri-power 1966 Olds 4-4-2 stolen, so he got this W-31 in a less flashy package. The 1968, 1969, and 1970 carburetors are W-31-specific, have their own W-31 part numbers, and are big-dollar items. Obviously, I look at the VIN on the block and transmission. Although it used the same block as the 455, GM management would not allow Oldsmobile to install an engine of more than 400 cubic inches in the mid size B body. You've really got to know what you're looking at. Additional Auto Museum Online articles on the links below.. Reference material for this article included..Oldsmobile Muscle Portfolio 1964-1971 by R.M. Oldsmobile launched the 4-4-2 in 1964, the same year Pontiac made history with the GTO. Quickly, it cost as much to insure a Street Hemi or Six Pack Mopar, Boss, Shelby or Cobra Jet Ford, LS6, RAIV, Stage I or W-Machine from GM as it did to pay the monthly contract on the car itself. The broadcast sheet lists a factory color of Nugget Gold Metallic (53) as well as the W-31 option. When Jimmy arrived at Andy's garage, instead of walking directly to look under the sheet covering the car, he made a beeline for a washing machine covered with car parts and paperwork. I would go to people I had sold parts to and ask, 'You own a 1970 4-4-2 don't you? There is quite a bit of metalwork required from what you can see, wait until you begin to peel back the onion. What makes the W-31 the car it is, is Oldsmobile' 325 HP, 350 CI, V8 engine. The two kept in contact, and in January 2018, Jimmy made an appointment to look at the Oldsmobile. If you win the auction, your card will be charged for the service fee and you pay the seller directly for the vehicle. I go through the block and look at the Julian codes, heads, and intake manifold if it's not a W-30. Oldsmobile built 1,352 of these muscle cars for the 1970 model year: 1,029 as Cutlass S Holiday Coupe two-door hardtops, 116 as Cutlass Sports Coupes (a two-door post), and 207 in the F-85. It is laughable that this somewhat unusual Cutlass is being sold on Craigslist. When John sold the house to Andy, the Oldsmobile went with the deal. (Opt Out of Sale/Targeted Ads). I always wonder why they stopped making this model. Sitting at the top of our list is the Porsche Cayenne with an impressive 84.2% retained retail value after three years. That was the thinking behind Oldsmobile's 1970 W45 Rallye 350 package. would any one by chance have a pic of the ballancers they used or diameter, I havent checked cam but its got flat tops and the right size valves,currently have the#6 heads all re built and on my 72 cutlass 355. what do you think is this a w-31 ballancer ? Its a nightmare. 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W-31 Collector Values. There was no crush zone in it and ran the whole length of the fender. I started buying cars in 1980 and through the years they almost all had at least 70k and yet somehow all these cars have half that 30-40 yrs later Find new and used 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass classic cars for sale near you by classic car dealers and private sellers on Classics on Autotrader. There are a lot of nice finished muscle cars out there for less than $50K. If it's a four-speed car, I look to make sure that nobody's tampered with it and installed a new transmission tunnel. It became a model in its own right from 1968 to 1971, then reverted to an option through the mid-1970s. When Stephen J. Minore was in high school, his father Joe, a gas station operator, took him aside and gave him some advice. The highlight, of course, is the numbers matching, factory . I became involved with the W-31s after I went to the 1993 Oldsmobile Nationals in Somerset, New Jersey. However, auto reviewers have given the Lamborghini Huracan an overall reliability rating of. The 70 however, had an aluminum intake and #6 heads. I agree. A couple of years ago I drove out to New Jersey to authenticate a couple of cars for a client in California. That too has its own part number. I see it is from the rust belt, but the rust seems fairly severe for 49k miles. One of them was a 1970 4-4-2 W-30 convertible. Kia Motors is one of the leading automakers globally with a brand value of USD 7 billion. The Oldsmobile Cutlass was a series of automobiles produced by General Motors' Oldsmobile division between 1961 and 1999. The Cutlass would turn out to be one of the industrys longest-running and most successful names. Kids with heads full of Hendrix, Joplin, and Dr. Leary took the wheel of high-horsepower youth machines for the first time everwith often tragic consequences. "Unless you have a paper trail, it's next to impossible to say this is a true W-31 factory car," he says. These Cutlass models were equipped with the Rallye 350 package. The one major detraction from the car was a missing carburetor that Jimmy says is "probably the hardest W-31 part to find." Other notable components included a lightweight aluminum intake manifold, the W25 fiberglass ram-air hood, anti-spin differential with 3.42:1 gears (3.73:1 available), and heavy duty cooling. Why don't you do something like drafting for a living? His cousin Pete Chillemi owned a 1972 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 four-speed car, red with white stripes. The 1970 Oldsmobile W-Machines (W-30, W-31), all manufactured in Lansing, Michigan are considered to be the ultimate Oldsmobile Super Cars. Horsepower was reported at 325 at 5400rpm, even though the mill featured a new aluminum intake manifold. Thanks to Adam F for this tip! Then there's the more obvious. A road less traveled. The last set I found went for crazy money, $700 per pair! When it comes to the 4-4-2s, there are people out there who are changing things around, so you've really got to look at things like the tags and their location, the type of rivets used, those are all important clues. Let's face it. No power brakes on these due to the wild cam profile,,, the minuete I read that as a teenager back in 82 I had to have one, never found one, seen so so few. For those hardcore Oldsmobile W-Series collectors, they will know what a truly special car this is, more specifically, the engine. At the present, my expertise covers 1968-1972, and that includes W-30s, W-31s, and others. This is not an easy restoration by any means, but as they say, the bones are there, I had a 1968 ramrod my junior year in high school 1980 bought it after I totaled my 71 Torino cobra I paid 1600 for the ramrod the same as I paid for my Torino . These cars have a lot of rare engine parts on them, Minore says, including carburetors that were W-31 specific. Checking for missed updates, BaT Auction Success Story: An NSX Rounds Out the Stable. I liked the under bumper hood scoops on the 68-69, just like the bad W/30. The front passenger fender looks to be a repaint. Something well never know. Cloudflare Ray ID: 7a2b73d15da07ed1 When doing a vehicle authentication, I make sure that the car has the right fenders on it. :) :) :). Who the hell wants that? Auto manufactures, in some instances, started to offer smaller-engined/lower horsepower varieties as a counter move. You never know what's going to turn up in the junkyard. With the Urus, the company's $200K SUV that debuted earlier this year, the wait time is, Unlike regular cars, the reliability of supercars is hard to rate due to their limited production. Here, small-blocks and extra graphics filled in for multiple carburetors, solid lifters, and 7-plus liter displacement levels. I'm currently in the process of working on a W-31 Authentication Guide and am hoping to have it published sometime next year. That is why the Hurst company built the Hurst Oldsmobile with the 455. I also plan on expanding it to cover the 1968 and 1969 W-31 cars as well. What are the production numbers for a f85 W31? Of the three years for the W-31, the 70 is the one to own for its one year only components. Most powerful production V-8 engine with 797 horsepower and 707 lb. W-31 fender emblems. LOL Seriously, though, having driven my girlfriends 2003 loaded Camry all over the country I can say without a doubt they routinely get you from point A to B without issue. Assuming the VIN derivative shows it to be a 1970 block, and the #6 heads have the 2.000/1.625 valves, and the cam is the correct 308 degree cam, and it has the W-31-unique balancer, and it has the correct distributor, and the pistons are flattops, then there's a high probability that the motor is an original W-31. The all-new Turbo GT model is at the top of the model range. While it is true these are limited number models, the cost to restore this after paying the asking price will put you upside down in a hurry. He can be reached by email at casamperformance@sbcglobal.net. How hard would it be to change out the clutch or even rebuild the tranny for that $22k ask? You're the high bidder. Steve Magnante states that only 1,029 W-31s were built on the F-85 & Cutlass platform. 209.151.232.218 The engine was not offered after 1971. Here is an amazing one-owner, matching numbers, low mileage Oldsmobile 442 Holiday Coupe from 1970, the peak of Oldsmobile performance, available now from the MAXmotive Pittsburgh Showroom. Due to the low-vacuum at idle, air conditioning was not available, and power brakes were only available with an automatic transmission. Major difference was the AC cars had C heads, Non AC cars had D heads. Based on whats photographically revealed, the interior is certainly salvageable and probably not at great expense or effort. A special edition Hurst/Olds paced the Indy in 1972. FASTEST TOP SPEED OF ANY PRODUCTION MUSCLE CAR( Disclosure4), 3) Porsche 911 3.0 Carrera RS 109 built. Question of the Week: What's the Best Factory-Turbocharged Car? Larger engines, high end wheels are a few of the modifications. Description from seller. "Hardware store hardware," we call it. I thoroughly check the codes on a W-30 carburetor, distributor, cylinder heads, and starter, as there are a lot of re-stamps out there. It was in a pile of paperwork that included the original title, Protect-O-Plate, broadcast card, dealer invoice, and receipts from the 1970s when the motor was rebuilt. Jimmy was astounded to find an old color print that John's mother had taken at the dealership where she picked up the car brand new. I agree. Available was a four speed automatic. Its not the same thickness as your pic,mine is only Aprox 5/8" thick,it is 7 1/2 inches tall. Visible through the windshield. production date code (month/day), and a suffix code which identifies the engine. That too has its own part number. Of the above production, these models were equipped with the W-30 32-bbl engine. Everything you need to know about your car! Additional factory equipment includes a six-blade fan and a N10 dual-exhaust system. Enter the junior super car. The 1970 W31 350 shared its gold paint and number 6 cylinder heads with the Rallye 350's L74, but major W31 upgrades included an aluminum intake manifold, high-speed crank damper, lumpy. As the car was originally Rallye Pac equipped it is a shame that the Tic-Toc-Tach is MIA. Let Us Sell Your Oldsmobile Coupe. Its not accurate. It is quite rare and very much in demand. There were 165 3rd Gen sold in the last 5 years. W-31s have a lot of rare engine parts on them. Looks to be mostly complete and restorable but agree with the others about the mileage. The W-31 actually started out in 1968 and was the Cutlass-based Ram Rod 350. The major change for the 1970 W-31 was the deletion of the long induction tubes. In a photo taken in 1999, Minore proudly poses with his gold with black stripes 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W-31. Year 1970 Category All Body Styles 1970 442 1970 98 1970 Cutlass 1970 Cutlass 'S' 1970 Cutlass Supreme 1970 Delta 88 1970 Delta 88 Royale 1970 F-85 1970 Rallye 1970 Toronado 1970 Vista Cruiser That is the color most chosen by Camry buyers during its entire production run, rumor has it. Car Fin Styling of the 1950s / Photos and History, How to Find Vintage and Antique Car Parts, Locations of Serial Numbers and Stamps on Vintage Vehicles, Model T Serial Numbers and Registering Antique Vehicles, Sample Decodings of Classic Car Serial Numbers, Search for Cars, Trucks and Parts / Advertise on this Site, The Worlds Two Highest Selling Cars At Auction, Tips on Keeping Your Antique Car or Truck Looking Great, Value of Classic and Vintage Cars and Trucks. A lot of people don't know that. Of the above 442 production, these models were equipped with the W-32 4-bbl engine. Torque @ 3,600 rpm -mile: 13.94 seconds @ 105.5 mph Specifications Price Base price: $2,970.00 Price as profiled: $4,378.90 These models were equipped with the 442 package (only on Cutlass Supreme). The W-31 for the 68 and 69 year had a cast iron intake and #5 Heads. It is a small-block screamer. It should be noted that only the 69 and 70 used a special W-31 coded Distributor. The BaT Service Fee is 5% of the bid, with a minimum of $250 up to a maximum of $5,000. I would like to learn more about both the earlier and later year cars, as my ultimate objective is, for lack of a better term, to become the Kevin Marti or Galen Govier of Oldsmobile authenticators. The manufacturer estimates that about 200 Taycan cars cannot be built per day. The engine balancer is big and as rare as hen's teeth. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. Many would say that the brand picked up an image of being old and stuffy. . If the passenger side is rusted (front fender, rocker, quarter) you can be pretty certain the drivers side is just as bad. Rare Fully Restored 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Rallye 350 Coupe :: 1 Year Production, Only 3,547 Produced, Powered by Numbers Matching 350ci 310hp V8 Engine, 700R4 Overdrive Transmission, Sebring Primo Classics International LLC Porsche and BMW are very different premium brands one is known for speed and agility and the other for luxury and engine power. That's a dead giveaway that the fenders have been changed. Must be something different.Thanks for all the info. Sort of like Woodstock, a big experiment. Price: The 2022 Porsche Cayenne has a starting price of $69,000. There is evidence of lower rust in the passenger-side rocker panel and perhaps over the passenger-side rear wheel but the included images are not too revealing. You don't find the right color or plated bolts in the right places anymore. Minore was there to authenticate the car, which we recently featured in Rare Finds ("More Than Just a Car," Sept. '15). The average annual repair cost is $652 which means it has average ownership costs. These models were equipped with W-29 442 equipment. Up to that point I didn't know the difference, so I went and inspected the car. Research indicates that there were about 1,300 W-31s assembled in 1970 across all body styles. Show of hands, has anyone ever owned or driven a W-31 Cutlass and what was it like? The body panels, however, appear to be free of crash damage so thats encouraging. What does it take to build a 911? The W-30 was an option of the Olds 442, while the W-31 was an option on the Cutlass. WINNERS UPDATE Question of the Week: What's Your Favorite Print Ad For a Car Part? It was the body number, which matched the one on his cowl tag. His intentions were not focused on a purchase, as the car was still not for sale. June 17, 2010 in Technical, I am trying to determine if my 1970 350 is a w31 engine, It has #6 heads with 1.62 exhaust valves and it has a large harmonic ballancer,can some one tell me how to know for sure. No, theyre not too common. 1970 W-31 Production numbers: 1,029 Cutlass S Holiday coupes like this one. Sign up for a new account in our community. Oldsmobile Rallye 350 (1970 to 1970) CMB $31,469 FOLLOW MARKET The Oldsmobile Rallye 350 was a limited production performance model available for the 1970 model year. The 1970 W-30 featured a 455 cubic inch 370 HP engine. Power 2019 Vehicle Dependability Study, or VDS. Sales receded to 920 W-30s for 1971 and just 772 for 1972. As a longtime collector, though, Jimmy had a spare "255" carburetor. We have 21 locations and have Sold 201, ranging from $6995 to $92000. My database is quickly growing on these cars, and it should make for an informative book. Celebrating the 100,000th Bring a Trailer Auction! Posts: 13 Thanks: 0. The interior is all available!! The youth market was red hot. Bid for the chance to own a 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Hardtop W-31 at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. What is the Greatest Automobile to Restore? If I lived closer and could afford to bid, I wouldnt offer any more than $12.000.00. Factory Tach doesnt appear to be missing, where would it go? Jimmy, already a W-31 owner, informed Andy that his 1970 Oldsmobile was a W-31. These are some of the most sought after muscle cars, by collectors and enthusiasts alike. Lot #65,720. There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data. The ad does not state which 4-Speed was offered, M-20 or M-21. It was gold with back stripes and had a ram air hood. Look at the drivers door closeup showing the GM label, there is paint overspray there as well. The outside air now came through the hood scoops and directly into the air cleaner. He is standing next to Stefano Bimbi's 1970 W-30 four-speed convertible, which was featured on the cover of the Nov. '15 issue. Minore's expertise hits its sweet spot with the 1968-1972 Oldsmobiles, but he's boning up on earlier and later models as well. Obviously, that dramatically boosted the value of the car. This would include a six- to 10-page detailed vehicle report with breakdowns on cowl tag info; date codes on the engine, transmission, rearend; and all the important pieces that make a W-30 or W-31 car what it is. It seems that many 442s from the era have automatic transmissions, not sure of the breakdown with the W-31. He pulled it out, and it was the broadcast sheetthat car's Golden Ticket! It boils down to the fact Oldsmobile product planners toed the corporate line restricting engine displacement to 330 cubic inches. The grilles on a 1970 W-31 are very hard to find, but they did come on four-door cars, station wagons, and Cutlass S cars. . Specs datasheet with technical data and performance data plus an analysis of the direct market competition of Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe W-31 4-speed wide ratio in 1970 the model with 2-door hardtop coupe body and V-8 5737 cm3 / 350.1 cui, 242.5 kW / 330 PS / 325 hp (SAE gross) offered since September 1969 for North America . Performance & security by Cloudflare. I really dont know which is more effective at forced air although I heard the early ones were good at inhaling lots of dirt, gravel as well. Oldsmobile was a late developer into the muscle car scene and then moved swiftly to create an affordable mid-price intermediate muscle car. In effect, an argument could be made that they were not targeting, and possibly turning away, their best potential buyers. After all the rust and grime are cleaned away, it's much harder to authenticate. Does not have the original carb. The dark blue finish is still presentable and the faded presence of the black W-31 body stripe, as well as the black hood accents, are still visible. The Porsche 911 GT3 is one of the highest performing sports cars in the 911 lineup and is designed primarily for ultimate track performance. The 68 Ram-Rod used the standard 4-Barrel Distributor. W-31s have a lot of rare engine parts on them. Hopefully a prospective buyer can negotiate a somewhat lower price. Meriden, Connecticut's Stephen Minore is a self-professed "Oldsmobile nut" with a particular interest in the 1970 W-Machines. The 1970 W-30 featured a 455 cubic inch 370 HP engine. Oldsmobile had beat out both Pontiac and Plymouth to be the number 3 best selling brand in the U.S. behind Chevrolet and Ford. See prices, photos, and find dealers near you. Chevrolet Chevelle Performance Statistics, Plymouth Barracuda Performance Statistics.
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